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Re: [zzdev] :zz: Clarif. re inside/contents
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- Subject: Re: [zzdev] :zz: Clarif. re inside/contents
- From: Bek Oberin <gossamer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:54:31 +1100
- In-reply-to: <184.108.40.206.19981028141112.008cc3e0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; from Ted Nelson on Wed, Oct 28, 1998 at 02:11:12PM +0900
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Ted Nelson wrote:
> The concept is simple, and exactly matches the names,
> *once you get it* ;-)
> but as with so many things, getting it may not be
> AHEM! (Tapping pointer on lectern) =====
It's complicated! Inside/contents I've never grokked :(
> "Inside" is transitive-- (could it be otherwise?)--
Guess it could, but it wouldn't make sense. It always works
> d.inside =>
> a b c d ...
> so in this example, b is inside a, c iis inside b, d
> is inside c, etc.
Therefore, c is also (in a secondary way) inside a too,
> Now, the problem with only having that one dimension
> to represent containment is that in this model,
> each thing can only contain *one other* thing,
> like nesting Russian dolls.
I'm with you here still ...
> So to put more than one thing inside A, we need
> some way of representing it, a contents list;
> and a simple way to do that is have it dangle from
> the first contained object. A design choice is
> whether to have some title, or just the first item,
> at the top of the list; I choose to put the first item,
> since there might not even be a second.
So with this
A b c d --> inside
(where e and f hang off b)
b, e -and- f are inside A?
> The expected structures is:
> d.contents \/ d.inside => ("|" here means "no connection)
> A a
> B d
This doesn't make sense to me, sorry :( (Is Ted using a weird
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